Observance of the decline in Airsoft

[coldstreampltldr]

First of all I want to say I know this has not been a subject since February, but I thought I'd put in anyway.
 
First with bang kills, I agree with everyone that the system does not work. I though I would suggest something from reenactment. If coming around a building the requirement is to have your rifle pointed up into the air, if you encounter an enemy coming the other way, it is he who fires first. That is, up into the air. A round or rounds have been fired, noise has been made, and it is very doubtful you are going to get more than one or two casualties. The usual response if there are others, is they all fire into the air also. A group of people look stupid and all walk off laughing to the respawn point. It has its problems but no one can sneak up on you a call bang. He has to fire just as he would anywhere else on the field. And he has to expend ammo. A bang kill should not be a silent knife kill.

There has been much talk about honesty on this thread. What has not been said is unit integrity and honesty. In my unit I hold myself and my nco's responsible for all the actions of my unit. I hold my personnel responsible for their actions. We all look out for each other. I will not allow my personnel to engage in cheating, I will not allow them to get away with improper action. At one event they were angry about a group of young people (who were in fact cheating badly). One of my lads yelled out, if they wont take hits, we wont either. I removed my lads from the action, took them aside and tore into them with no level of kindness. The action was against our Code of Conduct and our written personal beliefs. Obviously the heat of the moment overpowered that individual. He was ripped up by me, the RSM and his own squad. We, gentleman, We are responsible for our own actions and that of our teams and units. Blaming everyone else may even be honest and logical but it does not solve the problem. We have to take responsibility for ourselves and our friends in our respective units. You must correct from within. By the time a ref is called, the problem has already escalated beyond help. Now someone is to be expelled or warned. The staff has to correct someone because he cannot behave himself. Being yelled at by a ref or another team only adds to the trauma and only causes more harm than good. Yes and I am aware that it has to be done. But unit commanders and that teams members could have corrected the problem. Your friend, your teammate who is getting angry, or even if you catch him cheating or just not noticing the hit, well possibly you did. Let him know, calm him down. Take command, control your team, work it out on the field. Too many are to quick to judge, to blame the other side. Keep shooting, shoot them until they get the idea. It does hurt, make um bleed, it an old term in reenactment. Keep calm, don't call hits, respect yourself and your opponents, shoot them until they get the idea. The hobby is not dying, people come and go, if there are not as many people coming out, it might have something to do with the economy. Did you forget many people are out of work or on low incomes. It cost to come to an event, gas, food, entrance fees. Add in ammo, new guns, parts, uniforms, gear. It is a hobby like all hobbies, fun costs money. Try to date a girl without any money.


We are the airsofting community. We are the ones who direct where the hobby is heading. Working together, taking responsibility for the what goes on, on the field, and off, is our future or our demise. Screaming on a forum does not work, it gets the information out, practical application at the event is what is needed. I am preachy and not always right by any means, but I have seen all this in everything from Boy Scouts, reenactment, to AARP. People are almost incapable of communication or general courtesy. Honesty and ethics are hopefully something you understand, and your parents have imbued you with. Breech and Scape are correct, you either have them or you don't. Look at your teammates, if they lack these and are willing to cheat at the drop of a hat, I ask you, do you need that kind of individuals just to have numbers in your team. Is that really the kind of friend you want. Lets look after all of us so our hobby can survive.

[shuriken]

My 2 cents, take a torso shot.

It's an exact same kill as any other. Expends ammo, makes noise, etc and there's no question.

I can turn a corner and shoot full auto up in the air and that's a bang kill on 5 guys? Come on.

We all wear goggles for safety precautions and as an added feature, a "close range shot" to the face and the shooter is dead as well.

If people don't want to get shot, go play laser tag.

[[BSD] Vila]

I've never had an issue with the bang kill rule, but a pistol shot in the torso would be a good alternative.

[scapegoat]

Ok guys. This thread if left alone will get sillier and sillier. Should you wish to debate topics such as bang kill, you may do so in another post. this thread gets locked at midnight.

[coldstreampltldr]

Sorry I gave an opinion.

[scapegoat]

And your not wrong.  Nor am I saying you can't. I'm saying the longer this thread stays active, the more precise the issues seem to get. Which leads the whole thread into circles and technically it becomes . If people want to debate specific points of conduct such as bang kills for instance, they should do so in a thread dedicated to bang kills.

The problem I have with this thread is that everyone screams the world is on fire then when something is posted that makes sense, everyone screams about something else.

I'd rather have a whole bunch of small pinpointed "how to fix this issue" posts where people constructively debate rather then on gigantic "wereallfuckedeverythingsucksthezombieswilleatusall" thread where opinions are given, sometimes lenghy, and not even read before someone else replies.

Airsoft like everything else, is managed, ran, and played by people. As we all know, people have yet to create anything perfect in this universe, therefore in order to actually be helpful, we as a group need to break down the large problems into smaller ones and debate those.

Till our collective solutions are turned down by the insurance companies and we give ourselves new problems.